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To FON and not to FON (8.1.A.E Type A)
Jul 8^th, 2009 at 2:32pm

I signed up to FON a short time ago. And waited.
After a couple of weeks, the HHub was still not reporting FON active. Then I remembered that I'd locked out updates when fixing it to 6.2.6H. So I dropped in the otherwise redundant v2.0 hub which almost immediately updated to firmware 8.1.A.E (Type 1) - I just love the "Type 1" - shows a sense of faithlessness calling it that! Does anyone know anything about this firmware version? Heaven knows what trials now await but I am now an active FON participant.
Well, no evidence of any slow down in line speed yet ( Grin

). Much the same as before. But it got me thinking. Supposing I now switch back to the other hub. Presumably passers by won't have access to any bandwidth. But will I still be able to go down to the coffee shop and log on as a FON member for free?
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Bramshot Guru Offline Watch this space Posts: 2975 Gender:	Re: To FON and not to FON (8.1.A.E Type A) Reply #1 - Jul 8^th, 2009 at 6:14pm 6.2.6.h? Don't you mean 6.2.2.6?
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Jarviser Guru Offline BT - Love it or leave it Posts: 3726 Gender:	Re: To FON and not to FON (8.1.A.E Type A) Reply #2 - Jul 8^th, 2009 at 8:52pm The other bad news is that 8.1.A.E is not the latest firmware, more crap to come yet. http://www.jarviser.co.uk/jarviser/firmwarenotes.html
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zygo Senior Member Offline My final BT crash? Posts: 347 UK	Re: To FON and not to FON (8.1.A.E Type A) Reply #3 - Jul 9^th, 2009 at 3:00pm Bramshot wrote on Jul 8^th, 2009 at 6:14pm: 6.2.6.h? Don't you mean 6.2.2.6? No, B, it wasn't 6.2.2.6 (which my others are locked into). It was definitely "xxxH" maybe not 626H then. 6.3.6.H maybe??
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Reply #4 - Jul 9^th, 2009 at 3:28pm

I now see your point, B (being, you can't lock into 626H). Well, it was locked into 6226 and a year or so ago during a chat with India, several suggestions were put to me, including either a reset to factory or signing to FON if I recall correctly. My impression afterwards was that they just wanted to allow the Hub to become accessible and whilst I fully expected to have to re-lock it afterwards, it worked fine so I left it. Thus, it was probably on 6.2.6.H but not locked (though this does not explain why it would not update for FON).
Another of life's mysteries.
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Bramshot Guru Offline Watch this space Posts: 2975 Gender:	Re: To FON and not to FON (8.1.A.E Type A) Reply #5 - Jul 9^th, 2009 at 9:09pm Sometimes you have to go to the FON website, unsubscribe from FON, then immediately re-subscribe. This re-starts the process and after a couple of days you should find the hub has now got an extra SSID (Openzone).
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Reply #6 - Jul 10^th, 2009 at 10:21am

Just to step back a little, registering with FON on the websitegives you free minutes on Openzone sites. That will take effect whether or not the Hub has gone into FON mode.

Surely if you have the free minutes, but nobody can use your hub, where is the problem? The best of all worlds is to register with FON website for the free minutes but use a Netgear hub so nobody can use the bandwidth at your house.

Just my 4 penn'orth.

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Re: To FON and not to FON (8.1.A.E Type A)
Reply #7 - Jul 10^th, 2009 at 11:18am

Just had to reset the Hub 2.0.
It now seems to be running 8.1.H.G. (Type A) firmware (or as they now seem to call it, software.)
'Sfunny - you'd have thought 8.1.H.G. would come after 8.1.A.E (Type A), not before it.

What I find really strange in all these different versions is that nothing improves. More bells/whistle but still fundamentally flawed and unstable. Bit like Windows really!
(I used to think Microsoft was improving, till I got a Mac)

Problem sorted, now back to work.

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Jarviser Guru Offline BT - Love it or leave it Posts: 3726 Gender:	Re: To FON and not to FON (8.1.A.E Type A) Reply #8 - Jul 11^th, 2009 at 12:40pm 8.1.H.G does come after 8.1.A.E. H.G is the latest upgrade (May 09) which has created even more problems, not all of which are mentioned here http://www.jarviser.co.uk/jarviser/firmwarenotes.html
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Bramshot Guru Offline Watch this space Posts: 2975 Gender:	Re: To FON and not to FON (8.1.A.E Type A) Reply #9 - Jul 11^th, 2009 at 7:17pm So does this mean that the promised revision end of June hasn't happened?
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Jarviser Guru Offline BT - Love it or leave it Posts: 3726 Gender:	Re: To FON and not to FON (8.1.A.E Type A) Reply #10 - Jul 12^th, 2009 at 8:37am Nobody has reported receiving one, as far as I can read.
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Reply #11 - Jul 13^th, 2009 at 8:56am

I was just looking to see if jarviser.co.uk had anything on the inability of my HH2.0 (on 8.1.H.G) to recognise devices with a fixed IP address.

Jarviser lists some of some of BT's alleged improvements with this latest firmware:
"-Improvements to the upgrade process (didn't know there was a problem!)" - Neither did I. The best improvement would be to prevent further upgrades since each new one resolves problems no one has (except BT perhaps) and brings new problems.

"-Improvements to the devices list in the Hub Manager (wonder if it now works?)" It doesn't! Although my v2.0 can see devices with fixed addresses (and DHCP is turned off), it still allocates its own IP address that you can't access (presumably because it does not actually exist!). As regards all devices with fixed IPs, the 'Home Network' table insists they are "not connected" (WRONG) and the Device information for each also says "Not currently connected" (WRONG again) though it does says the (DHCP-allocated) address is "fixed". I was hoping this might have been sorted by now. Bizarrely, the two slave hubs on the network which also have fixed IP addresses, are properly recognised as "Connected" and showing the correct fixed address. What causes this inconsistency? I would also be interested to know what are the risks of DHCP allocating the same IP address twice where one is false, and what problems that could give rise to.
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Reply #12 - Jul 13^th, 2009 at 9:06am

Thanks for the feedback. It's very frustrating now that I am not even a landline broadband customer let alone a BT customer, that I only get the information second-hand now.

I have new problems on the HSDPA dongle. Download on mobile broadband is rock steady at 1.6 meg, but upload is very variable, presumably probably due to all the tweets being uploaded!

Whatever ISPs provide somebody always messes it up by using it!

New project will be waiting for Netgear to upgrade their 3G router to accept my dongle so I can get a network going again in the house, and get the V1 back connected again.

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Re: To FON and not to FON (8.1.A.E Type A)
Reply #13 - Jul 13^th, 2009 at 12:18pm

Must agree J using all my V1's with my Netgear on Virgin no probs after weeks of setting up (hard nosed it have to find how these things work).Coming off the morphine damn the pain just prefer to be able to think logically(was that ever possible)Aha the boy is finding his sense of humour keep at it Z you get A+ for effort.Why oh why do they insist on fixing things that aint bust.

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Re: To FON and not to FON (8.1.A.E Type A)
Reply #14 - Jul 13^th, 2009 at 5:46pm

I made the mistake that BT usually make - I used more 'advanced' products (a version 2.0 HH) when there was nothing wrong with the existing setup.
I could have lived with the wrong reports showing up in the Home Network table but it turns out that there's also a compatability issue between the v2.0 Hub and the 1010 hubphones. They keep dropping the link every ten or fifteen minutes and when I checked, I found them all showing different times - in fact, I don't think it's the time of day at all; it seems more like the length of time connected.

Solution: dump the v2.0 and put the v1.0 back. Simples!
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